Season Three Player Ratings Thread

[cornAdministrator]

How it works - Everyone can rate players on how good they think they are; on a scale of 1 to 100. You have 2 weeks to add your ratings and In 2 weeks time I will add find the average ratings of every player and create a leader board.  

To prevent arguments you can be removed from the list if you don't want to be rated, however if you do your ratings for others will not be considered. Feel free to rate players currently not in a team as well.

Can't Score:

1. mlfaijati -
2. Beninho -
3. Fred -
4. Giggs -
5. Girgensons -
6. Lee -
7. Q -

Channel 3:

1. Yawn -
2. Caccapupu -
3. Herna -
4. nero -
5. Thomasan2001 -
6. TsM -
7. Водка -

DEJA Entendudes:

1. Donny (Manager) -
2. gred -
3. kofi -
4. Maestro -
5. Speaks -
6. Swift -
7. Zizou -
8. Diesel -

HK Stalingrad:

1. Renbeaudach -
2. Blizzaard -
3. Gjonaj -
4. maksili -
5. Jds -
6. Serega -
7. Stefan -

Hot Shots:

1. Sugar Ray -
2. Aitor -
3. Kirito -
4. Holtby -
5. Tsubasa -
6. UKOriginal -

Pelicans:

1. corn -
2. abacus -
3. Glitch -
4. Twigg -
5. xOscar -
6. Zuzi -

Sheepshaggers:

1. B4D 4$$ -
2. Aguero -
3. OReo/Klinsa -
4. The Doctor -
5. Hef -

Soccerrettes:

1. socrates -
2. Ghost -
3. MrP -
4. Lekumberri -
5. mc smiley -

[mlfaijatiAdministrator]

Can't Score:

1. mlfaijati - 80
2. Beninho - 73
3. Fred - 79
4. Giggs - 78
5. Girgensons - either 50 or 85, who knows
6. Lee - 81
7. Q - 77

Channel 3:

1. Yawn - 82
2. Caccapupu - 87
3. Herna - 81
4. nero - 84
5. Thomasan2001 - /
6. TsM - /
7. Водка - /

DEJA Entendudes:

1. Donny (Manager) - hasnt played for ages
2. gred - 75
3. kofi - /
4. Maestro - 74
5. Speaks - 74
6. Swift - 79
7. Zizou - 78
8. Diesel - 75

HK Stalingrad:

1. Renbeaudach - 78
2. Blizzaard - havent seen him for ages
3. Gjonaj - 77
4. maksili - /
5. Jds - 75
6. Serega - /
7. Stefan - 82

Hot Shots:

1. Sugar Ray - /
2. Aitor - /
3. Kirito - /
4. Holtby - 80
5. Tsubasa - 78
6. UKOriginal - /

Pelicans:

1. corn - 73
2. abacus - 70
3. Glitch - /
4. Twigg - 77
5. xOscar - 71
6. Zuzi - /

Sheepshaggers:

1. B4D 4$$ - 74
2. Aguero - /
3. OReo/Klinsa - /
4. The Doctor - 75
5. Hef - 74

Soccerrettes:

1. socrates - 82
2. Ghost - 80
3. MrP - 79
4. Lekumberri - /
5. mc smiley - 79

[StylDynamite]

You forgot me, I'm in HKS too

[SwiftForum Bangout]

Can't Score:

1. mlfaijati - 80
2. Beninho - 73
3. Fred - 77
4. Giggs - 74
5. Girgensons - not seen in ages
6. Lee - not seen in ages
7. Q - 72

Channel 3:

1. Yawn - 79
2. Caccapupu - 83
3. Herna - 79
4. nero - 84
5. Thomasan2001 - idk
6. TsM - 70
7. Водка - idk

DEJA Entendudes:

1. Donny (Manager) -not seen in ages
2. gred - 75
3. kofi - 73
4. Maestro - 78
5. Speaks - 75
6. Swift - 81
7. Zizou - 77
8. Diesel - 78

HK Stalingrad:

1. Renbeaudach - 76
2. Blizzaard - 79
3. Gjonaj - 76
4. maksili - idk
5. Jds - 75
6. Serega - 77
7. Stefan - 80

Hot Shots:

1. Sugar Ray - 74
2. Aitor - 75
3. Kirito - 71
4. Holtby - 78
5. Tsubasa - 77
6. UKOriginal - 68

Pelicans:

1. corn - 72
2. abacus - 72
3. Glitch - idk
4. Twigg - 76
5. xOscar - idk
6. Zuzi - idk

Sheepshaggers:

1. B4D 4$$ - idk
2. Aguero - idk
3. OReo/Klinsa - 75
4. The Doctor - 76
5. Hef - 76

Soccerrettes:

1. socrates - 80
2. Ghost - 77
3. MrP - 78
4. Lekumberri - 75
5. mc smiley - 75

[UKOriginalEnergetic]

1. mlfaijati - 79
2. Beninho - 77
3. Fred - /
4. Giggs - 77
5. Girgensons - /
6. Lee - /
7. Q - 77

Channel 3:

1. Yawn - 82
2. Caccapupu - 87
3. Herna - 81
4. nero - 84
5. Thomasan2001 - /
6. TsM - /
7. Водка - /

DEJA Entendudes:

1. Donny (Manager) - 80
2. gred - 75
3. kofi - /
4. Maestro - 79
5. Speaks - 79
6. Swift - 78
7. Zizou - 77
8. Diesel - 78

HK Stalingrad:

1. Renbeaudach - 78
2. Blizzaard - 80
3. Gjonaj - 77
4. maksili - /
5. Jds - 73
6. Serega - /

Hot Shots:

1. Sugar Ray - 74
2. Aitor - 81
3. Kirito - 81
4. Holtby - 80
5. Tsubasa - 78
6. UKOriginal - 74

Pelicans:

1. corn - /
2. abacus - /
3. Glitch - /
4. Twigg - 77
5. xOscar - 74
6. Zuzi - /

Sheepshaggers:

1. B4D 4$$ - 74
2. Aguero - /
3. OReo/Klinsa - 77
4. The Doctor - /
5. Hef - 79

Soccerrettes:

1. socrates - 82
2. Ghost - 80
3. MrP - 79
4. Lekumberri - /
5. mc smiley - /

[RénbeaudachAdministrator]

1. mlfaijati - 79
2. Beninho - 62
3. Fred - 75
4. Giggs - 73
5. Girgensons - 78
6. Lee - 80
7. Q - 75

Channel 3:

1. Yawn - 78
2. Caccapupu - 84
3. Herna - 76
4. nero - 81
5. Thomasan2001 - ?
6. TsM - 53
7. Водка - ?

DEJA Entendudes:

1. Donny (Manager) -
2. gred - 72
3. kofi - ?
4. Maestro - 76
5. Speaks - 69
6. Swift - 75
7. Zizou - 73
8. Diesel - 74

HK Stalingrad:

1. Renbeaudach - 75
2. Blizzaard - 78
3. Gjonaj - 72
4. maksili - 71
5. Jds - 72
6. Serega - 78
7. Stefan - 80

Hot Shots:

1. Sugar Ray - 69
2. Aitor - 74
3. Kirito - 70
4. Holtby - 79
5. Tsubasa - 78
6. UKOriginal - 63

Pelicans:

1. corn - 73
2. abacus - 65
3. Glitch - 51
4. Twigg - 75
5. xOscar - 69
6. Zuzi - 64

Sheepshaggers:

1. B4D 4$$ - 67
2. Aguero - 73
3. OReo/Klinsa - 74
4. The Doctor - 70
5. Hef - 73

Soccerrettes:

1. socrates - 81
2. Ghost - 75
3. MrP - 77
4. Lekumberri - ?
5. mc smiley - 71

[The DoctorSmooth Operator]

y am i gettin slimed like dis wtf

[ВодкаNew Member]

y am i gettin slimed like dis wtf

STFU PAKI CUNT

[BeninhoDynamite]

1. mlfaijati - 81
2. Beninho - 73
3. Fred - 74
4. Giggs - 75
5. Lee - 77
6. Q - 72

Channel 3:

1. Yawn - 78
2. Caccapupu - 86
3. Herna - 78
4. nero - 83
5. Thomasan2001 - 65
6. TsM - 60
7. Водка - 65

DEJA Entendudes:

1. Donny (Manager) - 68
2. gred - 73
3. kofi - 69
4. Maestro - 75
5. Speaks - 72
6. Swift - 77
7. Zizou - 71
8. Diesel - 74

HK Stalingrad:

1. Renbeaudach - 75
2. Blizzaard - 76
3. Gjonaj - 74
4. maksili - 70
5. Jds - 72
6. Serega - 75
7. Stefan - 81

Hot Shots:

1. Sugar Ray - 72
2. Aitor - 75
3. Kirito - 70
4. Holtby - 77
5. Tsubasa - 76
6. UKOriginal - 69
7. Mata - 75

Pelicans:

1. corn - 68
2. abacus - 66
3. Glitch - 60
4. Twigg - 74
5. xOscar - 72
6. Zuzi - 71

Sheepshaggers:

1. B4D 4$$ - 71
2. Aguero - 74
3. OReo/Klinsa - 76
4. The Doctor - 75
5. Hef - 74

Soccerrettes:

1. socrates - 81
2. Ghost - 74
3. MrP - 76
4. Lekumberri - 70
5. mc smiley - 72

[TsMPremierHax Member]

TsM - 53

O btw is that a joke?

[GuestGuest]

1. mlfaijati - 80
2. Beninho - 70
3. Fred - 72
4. Giggs - 70
5. Girgensons - 72
6. Lee - 78
7. Q - 72

Channel 3:

1. Yawn - 79
2. Caccapupu - 86
3. Herna - 76
4. nero - 83
6. TsM - 66

DEJA Entendudes:

1. Donny (Manager) -
2. gred - 73
3. kofi - 69
4. Maestro - 75
5. Speaks - 72
6. Swift - 75
7. Zizou - 72
8. Diesel - 74

HK Stalingrad:

1. Renbeaudach - 75
2. Blizzaard - 4KU
3. Gjonaj - 75.553232414353535335925185219525219525
4. maksili - 71
5. Jds - 72
6. Serega - 74
7. Stefan - 81

Hot Shots:

1. Sugar Ray - 70
2. Aitor - 74
3. Kirito - 71
4. Holtby - 78
5. Tsubasa - 62
6. UKOriginal - 69

Pelicans:

1. corn - 70
2. abacus - 59
3. Glitch - 60
4. Twigg - 75
5. xOscar - 70
6. Zuzi - 70

Sheepshaggers:

1. B4D 4$$ - 69
2. Aguero - 72
3. OReo/Klinsa - 74
4. The Doctor - 75
5. Hef - 75

Soccerrettes:

1. socrates - 81.99
2. Ghost - 74
3. MrP - 73
4. Lekumberri - ?
5. mc smiley - 71

[The DoctorSmooth Operator]

CM Punks ratings are the fairest so far, although abacus being 59.. And beninho 70... They need to be higher.

Ren is doing ratings based on how well he likes the players, not how good they are at the game.
Q, Klinsa and I, have played together, and in all fairness we were all pretty much on the same level, but according to good ol ren's ratings I was outclassed completely. A small difference between Q and Klinsa but they are way ahead of me apparently.
You've also rated yourself higher than me.. wot?!
Any position ren, anywheree, I am more useful than you are... except the commentators booth and spec.
You are not better than me.

If you havent already realised his rating's are bs, take a look at ehat he gave Beninho..
A FOKKINn 62 r U srs?!
Have u even played with ben?
If you look at the stats he has scored 14 goals and has had 7 assists in 16 games, he is ranked 19th out of 50, but ofcourse I'm wrong, the stats are wrong and ren is right.

Fk outta here with that biased, one-sided bullshit

If you're gonna rate people, be objective or don't do it at all.
Why am I bashing ren's opinion?
Cus most of u lot value his opinion and will probably believe what he writes cus ren is ren, captain of teamUk, more or less the voice of UKhax.


Ps. let me in teamuk tho

[RénbeaudachAdministrator]

CM Punks ratings are the fairest so far, although abacus being 59.. And beninho 70... They need to be higher.

Ren is doing ratings based on how well he likes the players, not how good they are at the game.
Q, Klinsa and I, have played together, and in all fairness we were all pretty much on the same level, but according to good ol ren's ratings I was outclassed completely. A small difference between Q and Klinsa but they are way ahead of me apparently.
You've also rated yourself higher than me.. wot?!
Any position ren, anywheree, I am more useful than you are... except the commentators booth and spec.
You are not better than me.

If you havent already realised his rating's are bs, take a look at ehat he gave Beninho..
A FOKKINn 62 r U srs?!
Have u even played with ben?
If you look at the stats he has scored 14 goals and has had 7 assists in 16 games, he is ranked 19th out of 50, but ofcourse I'm wrong, the stats are wrong and ren is right.

Fk outta here with that biased, one-sided bullshit

If you're gonna rate people, be objective or don't do it at all.
Why am I bashing ren's opinion?
Cus most of u lot value his opinion and will probably believe what he writes cus ren is ren, captain of teamUk, more or less the voice of UKhax.


Ps. let me in teamuk tho

So you're happy to use the stats argument to defend ben but when you see I'm in the top 20 all time by sugars ratings and you're abolsutely in the middle of nowhere you're just as keen to forget that just to big up your own skinny arse who's more absent-minded than a hamster with ADHD.

Listen in all seriousness I don't think anyone doubts your technique but time and time again when it comes to matchplay I think you're several sandwiches short of a picnic, hence the comparatively low rating.

And as much as I love ben for his hard work on the pitch I don't think technically he's shown anything to be judged on the same level as players like stefan or even klinsa, I may yet be proven wrong but that combined with the fact that both the teams he's played on have been lower half sides leads be to believe he's not quite there yet.

[VENOM i7Dynamite]

will edit dis post once i get me laptop bak but 4 now Free Agents: The Doctor - 77 Venom i7 - 75 (is even ratin urself allowed in this thread l0l)

[The DoctorSmooth Operator]

The only reason ur in the top 20's is because the points for GK's cleansheets are OP as fUKk.
Look at this.
Ren 6 goals 6 assists 3 cleansheets ONlY 3, with 190 minutes played and rated 15th with foKKING 120 points
Ben 14 goals 7 assists 167 minutes. rated 19 with 94 points.

Do u see this utter bulshittery?

Gk's get so much credit for the defence work when in reality, the outfield players are mostly doing a lot of the defending or a big portion.
You know I wouldnt complain if u did a good job with the attack but half the time u just get caught coming up too far and conceed with the counterattack, your reflexes are sloppy and your technique is quite frankly no better than a pub player.

Ben managed to get that far by being an outfield player not sitting in the net, and hogging all the glory of ur outfield player's defensive work and offensive plays.

You surround yourself in high-class players who give the illusion that you are better than you seem as they cover and make-up for your short-comings.
Me being in the middle of nowhere?
Season 3 i havent played a game yet, season 2 i played 65 minutes, so 6 games and a half and I got 5 goals and one assist, meaning i scored when I played or got an assist.
Lets take a look at ren season two, 70 minutes so 7 games, 1 cleansheet.... 2 goals and 2 assist... So for 2 games he contributed nothing.. And he is ranked higher than I am cus CS are OP.

Season one, i play 45 minutes. 4 games and a half. What do I do? 6 goals and 4 assists, which means a goal and an assist every game to my teammate cus I'm generous like that.
But wait, let's look at ren:
7 games, 3 goals wpwp ss, 2 assists nice nice
Oh wait..
What's this? 2 cleansheets? Whattt???!!
So there was one game where he did nothing? No contribution at all aww

I mean cmon you were in the most OP team possible with Jai And maddude and you still couldn't do ur part of defending? I'm sure jai and maddude did their duty in defence meaning the fault lies with you not being able to make them easy saves.

In summary:
>Every game I turn up to, no matter vs who I score, with the added addition of usually being in the weaker teams

>Every game ren plays, he'll conceed, even if he has strong players beside him, and to top if off, every 7 games he'll legit contribute nothing...


Well uhh ofcourse you are better than me ren, I wholeheartedly agree, I mean who am I right? Some guy in the middle of the all time top players. Ha ha ha

[VENOM i7Dynamite]

+100

[GuestGuest]

Can you make these insults short and sweet.

And use less numbers ffs

And smaller words

[VENOM i7Dynamite]

Tbh its more intriguing if the insults are longer

[neroPremierHax Member]

jokes for daysss

[RénbeaudachAdministrator]

Alright you wanna fookin jive m8? I'll dissect your rhetoric and quite frankly it's pathetic, you wanna know what I think, I can see that your shit stinks and it's time for me to see your ship sinks.
Enough shitty bars let's see what this mongoloid is chatting.

The only reason ur in the top 20's is because the points for GK's cleansheets are OP as fUKk.
Look at this.
Ren 6 goals 6 assists 3 cleansheets ONlY 3, with 190 minutes played and rated 15th with foKKING 120 points
Ben 14 goals 7 assists 167 minutes. rated 19 with 94 points.

Do u see this utter bulshittery?

Gk's get so much credit for the defence work when in reality, the outfield players are mostly doing a lot of the defending or a big portion.

You know here you even have half a point, it is indeed true that outfield players can make or break a team's defence and it is of course not entirely down to the GK's performance on whether the teams defence is effective. However you seem to have neglected two things.

1. How is a goalkeeper gonna have as many chances to score or assist as a forward? Like dude six goals from GK in 3v3. Dude. Bro. Jesus. That's not trivial at all as I'm sure you'll know yourself from when you've played there, it would be something completely different if Ben had scored all those goals whilst playing behind his two forwards the entire time.

2. One thing goalkeepers get no statistical credit for is how long the ball stays in their opponents half, which on an offensive-minded team is like 70% of his work, in clearing the ball and making sure the ball doesn't slip through the attack when you're pinning the opponents down. Just like in association football there's only so much you can read into statistics without evaluating the game qualitatively, and you have to accept that all three players have to make their own contribution to every phase of play.

You know I wouldnt complain if u did a good job with the attack but half the time u just get caught coming up too far and conceed with the counterattack, your reflexes are sloppy and your technique is quite frankly no better than a pub player.

Ben managed to get that far by being an outfield player not sitting in the net, and hogging all the glory of ur outfield player's defensive work and offensive plays.

Again your premises have a modicum of truth but your conclusions seem to be as invalid as Gordon Ramsay's smackhead brother. I admit that in early 2013 I did often make horrendous mistakes in judging when to rush for the ball  or get caught out by passes in the middle of the pitch, but especially in my first season in this league if you were to count the number of mistakes that lead to goals you probably would only need one hand.
I also admit that my technique isn't anything special but it seems I have to remind you of two other concepts that come up when, you know, you play real haxball and not dick around in pubs: positioning and decision making
Whereas often I see you skate around the pitch like fking Torvill and Dean in their freestyle routine at last I can say I think about my position on the field in relation to the other players; I might not be the best on the ball but I know what to do with it. Saying you're better than me is like saying Jason Richardson's better than Tim Duncan because he never won a slam dunk contest.

You surround yourself in high-class players who give the illusion that you are better than you seem as they cover and make-up for your short-comings.

A good thing you bring this us since every time you've been faced up with 'serious' competition you've crumbled faster than the gates of Constantinople in 1453. Some people might not know this but I actually did give you a chance two years ago in the UK U21 team alongside good players like Joehan and Gazza, and yet when we played even friendlies against the likes of the Polish and Romanian sides you looked like any other average jobber with hardly any sense of positioning and no strength on the walls.
Need I also bring up our respective times in FM? I didn't fucking think so.

Me being in the middle of nowhere?
Season 3 i havent played a game yet, season 2 i played 65 minutes, so 6 games and a half and I got 5 goals and one assist, meaning i scored when I played or got an assist.
Lets take a look at ren season two, 70 minutes so 7 games, 1 cleansheet.... 2 goals and 2 assist... So for 2 games he contributed nothing.. And he is ranked higher than I am cus CS are OP.

I could have mentioned this earlier and I know CS aren't a perfect way of distributing points but if you look at the games played there's definitely more than 3 goals per clean sheet over the history of the league, so why not give a GK 15 points for something that at least you can say he's had an objective positive contribution to?

Season one, i play 45 minutes. 4 games and a half. What do I do? 6 goals and 4 assists, which means a goal  and an assist every game to my teammate cus I'm generous like that.
But wait, let's look at ren:
7 games, 3 goals wpwp ss, 2 assists nice nice
Oh wait..
What's this? 2 cleansheets? Whattt???!!
So there was one game where he did nothing? No contribution at all aww

Aww look, the poor sap can't look at hax games and judge what's going on without running to the safe clutches of >muh statstics? How disgusting.

I mean cmon you were in the most OP team possible with Jai And maddude and you still couldn't do ur part of defending? I'm sure jai and maddude did their duty in defence meaning the fault lies with you not being able to make them easy saves.

I never played with Maddude in Premhax you ignoramus.

In summary:
>Every game I turn up to, no matter vs who I score, with the added addition of usually being in the weaker teams

>Every game ren plays, he'll conceed, even if he has strong  players beside him, and to top if off, every 7 games he'll legit contribute nothing...


Well uhh ofcourse you are better than me ren, I wholeheartedly agree, I mean who am I right? Some guy in the middle of the all time top players. Ha ha ha

You have never been even the best player in your team, including the days where Hot Shots were liquid shit. Indeed who even are you but someone whose bottled up frustration at not being able to take advantage of their own skill to win games leads him to take out his frustration on someone who, while less skilled himself, has a much better appreciation of what being good at hax actually is.

Now buzz off and go and fap to Monster Girl Quest or whatever it is you hoodlums do these days.

[Sugar RaySuperman]

Sheepshaggers vs HK Stalingrad is going to be interesting, stream anyone?

[YawnDynamite]

lmao who cares these ratings doc, we all know its bullshit.
According to rens rating, a team of Serega - Lee - mlf are better than Herna - me - nero lol

Its a uk forum and ofc uk players will get way higher than they deserve, but Cacca 84 ren? A gk thats by far the best in Europe atm and been in 3 (played in 2) Hcl finals.

But the most underrated player got to be Herna by far. He is literally carrying TuT in FM and doing great, most of the players rated higher than him wouldnt even making it into a div2 team.

[RénbeaudachAdministrator]

lmao who cares these ratings doc, we all know its bullshit.
According to rens rating, a team of Serega - Lee - mlf are better than Herna - me - nero lol

Its a uk forum and ofc uk players will get way higher than they deserve, but Cacca 84 ren? A gk thats by far the best in Europe atm and been in 3 (played in 2) Hcl finals.

But the most underrated player got to be Herna by far. He is literally carrying TuT in FM and doing great, most of the players rated higher than him wouldnt even making it into a div2 team.

That's not quite what I said; mlf's rating was on the basis that he'd be playing as a GK first and foremost, outfield he might be a couple lower.
Also, there is a point that I wholeheartedly concede is that the strength of a team is not exclusively related to the strength of each individual player, something that no-one can really encapsulate when thinking about how to compare players solely on their individual merits.
Who's even to say whether Serega mlf and Lee couldn't be better than you naho and Herna, since we've never seen the two lineups face each other and as such can't even test it. It might well be a very close game given equal amounts of practice between each other and assuming each players were equally active.

Finally what are you even complaining about with regards to Caccapupu? I literally gave him the highest rating out of any player I listed and since I haven't given ratings of any players outside of Premhax then they're purely conmparitive based on arbitrary units. I mean 84 'what's? metres? kilograms? pork chops? all I have really said is that the gap between him and, say socrates is similar to the gap between socrates and you, I mean you might have a difference of opinion in the specifics there but I don't think what I conveyed was particularly controversial.

I mean Yawn I have a lot of respect for you as a player and a person but I take exception generally to people who just say 'OMG BULLSHIT LOL' in these type of threads without also expressing what their version of the truth or their opinion is.

most of the players rated higher than him wouldnt even making it into a div2 team.

For instance could you give me an example of who you think these players are?

I don't want to come across as a butthurt brat here (well maybe I sometimes do when defending my ratings) but part of the reason I enjoy these threads is being able to find out how other people evaluate players and what they think and it's frustrating when other people say you're wrong without also saying what they think is right.

[YawnDynamite]

Took this discussion on ts instead, was easier ^^

[The DoctorSmooth Operator]

. How is a goalkeeper gonna have as many chances to score or assist as a forward? Like dude six goals from GK in 3v3. Dude. Bro. Jesus. That's not trivial at all as I'm sure you'll know yourself from when you've played there, it would be something completely different if Ben had scored all those goals whilst playing behind his two forwards the entire time.

Scoring 6 goals as a gk is an impressive feat, I did not ridicule that stat. My aim was to bring to light your contribution to each game. Therefore, I listed all your stats from that respective season. When added up, it falls short, meaning there are games where you are simply doing nothing but getting scored on.
In contrast, I bring something to each game when I play, be it a goal or an assist. Every. Game.
100% contribution rate.

One thing goalkeepers get no statistical credit for is how long the ball stays in their opponents half, which on an offensive-minded team is like 70% of his work, in clearing the ball and making sure the ball doesn't slip through the attack when you're pinning the opponents down. Just like in association football there's only so much you can read into statistics without evaluating the game qualitatively, and you have to accept that all three players have to make their own contribution to every phase of play.

Wrong.
In reality the goal keeper, if he/she plays as basic as possible, will not have that great of a burden on defence, unless somehow both the outfield players happen to be lagging and decide to leave the room in which case it becomes a 3v1.
Then yes. 70% would be a good estimate.
The part where you mention, "pinning the opponents down", is superfluous as we are solely focusing on the defensive aspect of a GK's job, in this instance.

I admit that in early 2013 I did often make horrendous mistakes in judging when to rush for the ball  or get caught out by passes in the middle of the pitch, but especially in my first season in this league if you were to count the number of mistakes that lead to goals you probably would only need one hand.

So your recent success and lack of error is an achievement that has come from yourself is it? It is not the work of players that are miles better than you?
Stick any player in this league who plays the same position as you with the team you had in season one, and I can guarantee they will emerge with stats that far exceed yours.
The fundementals of goal keeping are not hard. What makes it hard is the lack of support and the decision-making aspects that are involved.
If a GK was to stick to his net, and even if the ball is somehow ricocheted past the outfield players to the GK's corner areas, if he is to stay put, it becomes extremely hard to score on him, given that a 2v1 situation does not happen.
Often what makes GK's conceed is their programmed mind which tells the to rush to the ball when it nears them.
Take the well-known line GK Courtois as an example. A primitive simpleton when it comes to hax. However, given 2 strong outfield players who support him and never let a 2v1 occur, he could easily become a top 20 all time best player.
Bragging about stats which you have been carried to is not really something that is brag-worthy.
I could just as easily say, I am a FM Division 1 winner (My Fm Profile)  and brag all day, but little was my contribution so all it is to me is an experience, a short sight-seeing trip of the bigger hax world.

Whereas often I see you skate around the pitch like fking Torvill and Dean in their freestyle routine at last I can say I think about my position on the field in relation to the other players; I might not be the best on the ball but I know what to do with it. Saying you're better than me is like saying Jason Richardson's better than Tim Duncan because he never won a slam dunk contest.

Seen me?
When?
I don't know if you know this but I am a frequent pub haxballer, and being as frequent as me you get to know the community who play in public rooms.
I have yet to see you in the same room I am in, but that can't be right, because your words are absolute.
Hmm, you have claimed to have seen me but unless /invisible is a thing, I should have been able to see you in the same pub room right?
Could it be...
Oh my..
Ren, could it be you happen to use an alias while you hax in public rooms?
Now why would a 75 rated player, who is better than me need to hide his presence?
The only explanation is that you do not want to alter the image people have of you when you played decently. By playing along side me or against me, a proper comparison could be forumulated, but again...why would someone so confident they are superior cower in this manner?
Beats me.

A good thing you bring this us since every time you've been faced up with 'serious' competition you've crumbled faster than the gates of Constantinople in 1453. Some people might not know this but I actually did give you a chance two years ago in the UK U21 team alongside good players like Joehan and Gazza, and yet when we played even friendlies against the likes of the Polish and Romanian sides you looked like any other average jobber with hardly any sense of positioning and no strength on the walls.
Need I also bring up our respective times in FM? I didn't fucking think so.

Every time I have been up against serious competition?
Ah you are referring to my first ever 4v4 games in FM, where I transitioned from 3v3 pubs to 4v4 league games vs romanians with spams that make you question whether the map is strongball or not.
I can confirm you did give me a try out in the UKU21 and I believe I MADE THE SQUAD.
Can we get a repeat on that please.
I MADE THE SQUAD.
However, I didn't turn up to the games so I was cut.
Also, let us bring up the fact that the "Doctor" you invited to UKU21 was me from umm uhh... Hmm
2 fOKKkIn yeArs AgOO, what relevance does my past skill level have in a recent comparison of skills now?
Really?
That's like me comparing the HaxGalaxy version of you when you played vs me where I juked you to score and saying you are shit now. (

First Goal:

)
I am not saying because you were shit before you are shit now, no no, I am saying you improved, got better, matured but you are not better than I am currently.

I could have mentioned this earlier and I know CS aren't a perfect way of distributing points but if you look at the games played there's definitely more than 3 goals per clean sheet over the history of the league, so why not give a GK 15 points for something that at least you can say he's had an objective positive contribution to?

This ridiculous 15 EXP rgoals, for GK's is just...
Say a striker, lets say my boy Beninho is having a really good day, he had his weetabix, warmed up his fingers and literally carries the team and scores 2 goals solo.
In this instance, he has contributed to defence, and solely scored 2 goals, clearly he is the MVP right? Hooorayy yayy
This goes on game after game, for the sake of this argument.
Beninho doesn't miss a day and bangs in 2 goals solo every gameday.
So one day he is ill and checks the forums and sees this All Time Top Players thread Sugar Ray has made.
He's feeling pretty confident right?
Looks over at the number one spot and who does he find there?
Stefan.
No surprises there, but he looks at number 2 and sees ren.. UWoTTt?
He has been carrying the team and bagging in 2 goals a game, however, his efforts are no match for a fokinnnn 15 EXP REWARD for just sitting in GK and doing nothing by yourself. That's right, in a team where everyome knows what to do the GK always has has someone defending with him, meaning he/she never do anything alone, but Ben's solo efforts that have caused so many victories aren't rewarded as generously.
"Ah you scored m8? well done now fk off"
"Omg u got a CS? WtFF brOo ur Beszt in UK"

Aww look, the poor sap can't look at hax games and judge what's going on without running to the safe clutches of >muh statstics? How disgusting.

Again. My bad. How foolish of me to think statistics held value at all. Forgive my insolence.
Love how he refers to it as "safe clutches", knowing I have him beat statistically plays it off in an attempt to pass statistics as being a factor which holds little purpose in deciding who the better player is.

I never played with Maddude in Premhax you ignoramus.

Point still stands, you had jai, who is basically 2 players and some other mediocre player like mlf who both know what to do.

You have never been even the best player in your team, including the days where Hot Shots were liquid shit. Indeed who even are you but someone whose bottled up frustration at not being able to take advantage of their own skill to win games leads him to take out his frustration on someone who, while less skilled himself

A debatable statement which has not a plethora of theoritcal outcomes but a single one, but that is besides the point.
I may have been the best, or the worst on Hot Shots, however my ranking withing my previous teams, or current one has no colleration to whether I am better than you now.
A vast majority of the community can agree with me on this statement:
An inform renebeaudach is inferior to an inform doctor.

 has a much better appreciation of what being good at hax actually is.

You may keep your knowledge and definition of what being good at hax is, but that alone does not make you a better player.
A similar concept to this would be having the knowledge of football of when to pass and where to run, but if you lack the pace and physical strength necessary to carry out your visioned plays, of what use is that knowledge exept to heighten your frustration when you inevitably fail?

Is it not to better to accept that you are not better than me, then to pretend and put up a brave face publicly only to gain nothing but even more shame and embarassment, similar to Prince Hector's 1v1 with Achilles.

If you still truly believe you are better, reread the name of the person I have quoted.
Banturrr.
If you still truly believe it though I will have no choice but to make a public poll where we will let the community enlighten us.
The views of the majority are usually correct after all.

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